Superman Vs what DBZ character?

[Steven Sykora 4000]

What DBZ characters would Superman stand a chance against?

[Steven Sykora 4000]

.....Oh, but wait, their training has to do with punching air and weak sparring.

They train in 100x Earth's Gravity. I'd say that's a slightly (read as a FUCK TON) more vigorous training then light "sparring".


DBZ lacks strength feats and when they punch each other they vomit blood. What makes you say they can take Superman's punch who's more powerful in terms of strength?

I seem to remember Superman being bloodied and comatose by Doomsday. Who's to say that the level of fighters in the DBZ aren't simply on par with Supes/Doomsday types, and Goku is just more used to fighting these powerful warriors because he does it on a regular basis?

[moonknight11]

He could stand a chance against all of them.(Except maybe Kid Buu)

[WonderGirl6]

Another Superman fanboy? Well, I guess we've got every type of fanboy here...

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe that the DBZ universe is comprised of more powerful characters than a lot of mainstream comic companies like marvel and DC.

Someone really needs to post a thread showing all of the things DBZers have done so we can all get over this stuff about DBZers not being on par with superman types. It's a little ridiculous imo.

[Simon]

Just because Toriyama allegedly claimed that DBZers are FTL doesn't make it true. I haven't seen them do anything that would make me believe they were anyway. Not to mention they're outgunned in strength as near as I can tell. Goku's lifted a mountain, superman pushes the moon... 'nuff said.

[moonknight11]

Another Superman fanboy? Well, I guess we've got every type of fanboy here...

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe that the DBZ universe is comprised of more powerful characters than a lot of mainstream comic companies like marvel and DC.

Someone really needs to post a thread showing all of the things DBZers have done so we can all get over this stuff about DBZers not being on par with superman types. It's a little ridiculous imo.


Please. I used to love Dbz and still think Goku might be able to take supes in a fight but supes is a lot faster(FTL), stronger(Can move the moon), and more durable to physical trauma(punches,kickd,etc.). BTW Have you heard of Sentry,Green Lanterns,Heralds of Galactus,Thanos,Darkseid,Gladiator, and Super-boy prime? Most of them could stomp Goku so don't underestimate Marvel and DC.

[WonderGirl6]

CBG's got it right...

Superman fought Doomsday and was bleeding all over the place, showing that if someone is strong enough they can still give superman a black eye or a busted lip etc.

DBZers CAN move FTL. And since Goku can destroy planets, he could just channel that energy into a punch instead and could be more than a match for Supes strength wise.

[Steven Sykora 4000]

Goku uses Instant Transmission in a fight against cell. The narration even calls it instant transmission. Not to mention he's in the same exact pose he was in before, showing that he wasn't just flying faster than the eye can see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjCI0zEYsM

[moonknight11]

First off is there any proof he is FTL and is capable of amping his strength to planet-busting power? Second Doomsday is stronger than Goku. Third Supes is a lot stronger than he was back then. Fourth Gouku's is IT is only Lightspeed not FTL. Anyway supes gives everybody in DBZ a good match and beats most of them.

[Steven Sykora 4000]

It's generally agreed upon that IT is FTL since Goku travels from different planets in less time than it would take for light to get there.

Here are some DBZ Feats I have so far (I'm still looking for more, but this should get you started)...

Goku uses instant transmission in fights:

Goku using instant transmission in a fight against cell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjCI0zEYsM

Goku and Cell both using instant transmission during a fight fast enough to dodge each other's super speed attacks.
(best illustrations shown about a minute into the video.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDCyauglhyw

Goku does not need to concentrate to use instant transmission.

When he first demonstrated using instant transmission, he was counting down from three while waving. (About 4 and a half minutes into the video.)

Also, video shows Piccolo to have a heightened sense of hearing and Vegeta training at 300 times earth's gravity, where it is stated that his body would feel like it would weigh 18 tons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JZneaHn4E

Goku demonstrates that he can use instant transmission to teleport other people, when he uses it to teleport Tien and Piccolo to safety after fighting with Cell:
(Just under 5 minutes into the video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDCyauglhyw


Strength Feat:

SSJ1 Goku shows he can fight with EASE at super speeds with 10 tons on each limb for a total of 40 tons,
(About 3 minutes into the video)

Goku lifts a mountain (haven't found this one online yet) as SSJ2.

And ssj3 gotenks hit super buu in so hard that when he hit the ground he made a 1 km wide crater.Buutenks also hit a ki blast so hard that it was able to go through planet earth and it still kept going into space.

Here's a speed feat:When perfect cell fired his kameha in the air towards fpssj goku,goku moved his hand and used IT before a kameha(that got as long as earth in just 1-2 seconds) could hit him.That means that fpssj goku can move his hands at around 10,000 km/s(or more or a bit less).

Another speed feat(this one was doen by piccolo and krillin):When vegeta selfdestructed he made a huge explosion,big enough that it got larger than the seas around.Now it took them 20-30 seconds to get away from that area and they weren't close to the sea either,they were far away.So they traveled a couple thousand of kms in just 20-30 seconds.

If anyone wants to claim these are non-cannon, I'd like to see scans of the same scenes in the manga proving it.

[moonknight11]

Good solid feats, but not enough to show me how he can deal with Supes.

[Red]

When are DBZ fans going to just finally give up?

[Doom17]

When will the Supes fans admit DBZers ARE FTL?

[moonknight11]

When will the Supes fans admit DBZers ARE FTL?


When they get the feats that show they are FTL

[BurningSol]

Sorry for bringing up an old topic, however this intrigues me..

First and foremost, using the Anime isn't always the best way to really "show" the abilities of the DBZ characters, I for one usually like to use the japanese manga as the source. Pertaining to FTL speeds, I would believe that by the end of DBZ, the most powerful characters meaning Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Gotenks and all well beyond FTL speed.

My reasons is that within the actual japanese manga, Raditz dodged Piccolo's SBC which traveled at the speed of light. Yet Raditz was what, one of the lowest lvl Saiyan's and soldiers out there to boot, and this occured at the very beginning of the DBZ manga. Which brings me to my notion, if Raditz was capable of such speed, how could someone of Goku's capability not be able to do the same, or far greater within his current form? The reasons why "things" take so long within DBZ the anime as in "flying" and even within the "manga" is for dramatic purposes and storyline feller purposes. One has to realize that during "flight" it can allow the story to be told, not to mention that flying was a great source for episode fillers within the anime. Because during that time, the manga had to catch up with the anime, so flying was one of the forms of filler until the manga was up along with the anime. Not to mention there was also a part within the Freeza Saga in which Goku was running faster then light, and umm, wouldn't that be faster then FTL?

Goku's Instant Transmission is exactly what it is stated to be, and is well beyond that of FTL, this shouldn't even be remotely debated, considering again, within the japanese official manga, Cell even stated that it was Instantaneous when Goku utilized it for the first time for Cell to witness (this occurred when Cell was not Perfect Cell yet). This completely and utterly shocked Cell and throw him off guard. Fighting Capability is another one that everyone seems to forget...DBZ characters destroy Superman, when it comes to fighting capability. There is no if's and's or what if's. Goku may be gullible, however when he's pit to fight, he is the Einstein of it, arguably out of all the DBZ, he has the most wealth of knowledge due to the fact that he was able to fight against the most powerful martial artist within the universe during his time in the after life.

The energy blast of the DBZ characters is severely underrated, because one would ask how someone such as Superman would be able to sustain Planet Busting energy blast for a sustained amount of time. Consider this, within the official manga again, Vegeta at a power lvl of around 20-25k, he was shown shooting a small beam from the tip of his finger and completely wiping out a planet with it, with basically no effort whatsoever.

Take into consideration that this is a Vegeta who is still eons away from being a Super Saiyan. Yet by the time Buu comes around, Vegeta is capable of reaching SSJ2 capabilities, however some may say "If that's the case, then why doesn't the planet blow up every time energy waves strike the ground". That's interesting enough, however my assumption is this, and most likely it would be the case as well. Characters like Goku for example would be able to channel their energy blast, that the most powerful point of impact would be directly upon the opponent, thus although damaging the terrain, it does not outright blow it away, not to mention, it would get stupid if every time the DBZ characters fought, the planet blows up every time. This I believe was done on purpose by Akira so that such ridiculous scenarios wouldn't occur each time the DBZ fighters would rumble.

So DBZ characters, where more then powerful enough to blow up planets Pre-Super Saiyan lvl. Another noted mention is Cell even within the japanese manga even clearly states that he could easily destroy a galaxy if he preferred or wanted too (The reason why he does not do this is because he wants to confront a worthy challenger, thus you don't see him going around wiping out galaxies at will), and Perfect Cell at this point wasn't even on par with that of SSJ2 Gohan, who completely mopped the floor with him. So if we take into consideration that Cell was capable of doing such a feat, then what's the real potential of someone like SSJ3 Goku, or Mystic Gohan who's even more powerful then a SSJ3 + he doesn't burn out his energy too boot, or SSJ2 Vegeta, or SSJ3 Gotenks, all of whom are far more powerful then even Perfect Cell was.

Which leaves me to ask...how can these character "not" contend with Superman?

[SebastianPiccione]

Wow, Sol, that's one hell of a post! If there was a Doctorate programe in in KRYPTONIAN/SAIYAN RELATIONS, you would be a PHD, my friend!

[Sliverbane]

It's all mute... Chi Chi is the strongest character in the DBZ Universe.

SHE tells Goku what to do. LOL!!! ;)

[SebastianPiccione]

It's all mute, huh? must be awful quiet on DBZ.
But, since the series is finished, I guess it's a MOOT point.

:D:p:D

[Sliverbane]

Why thank you grammer Nazi!! Sieg Heil!! ;)


...does that count as a Godwin reference. It was my first time!! tee-hee :o

[BurningSol]

Prepare for a LONG post...

Sorry for the late post again, because I lost a hold of this site and was finally, finally able to find it again after all of these months...anyways...let me add more to what I said just in case since their still might be "nay" sayers out there who still "believe" that Superman even has a chance, especially up against someone as manly as Goku.

Goku's speed as character, we all know by now is clearly well and above that of Superman, because he can achieve a feat of speed many times that of Superman, and also, Instant Transmission alone would put him in a league well out of reach of Superman. Anyhow, going back and doing more research on Dragon Ball Z, I found out alittle scene back in Dragon Ball, in which Krillin...remember here, Krillin fighting Roshi during the tournament, both of them where able to spit at one another, dodge each other's spit and play Rock Paper's and Scissors all before attacking, and this all happened within an instant.

Think of how fast you would have to be in order to pull that off that nobody else could see it? Yet, we all know that by the time DBZ strolls around, Krillin would have been far more powerful then this, not to mention Goku who is vastly superior to Krillin in every single way. I also read something called The Book of Ki (Chi) or whatever it was called and it was canon by Akira Toriyama himself, and if anyone knows that's the creator of Dragon Ball/DBZ.

He even clearly states that Super Saiyan would be 50x the strength of that of the original persons power, and clearly stating that the 50x would apply to ALL attributes, so not just "strength" but everything meaning, stamina, speed, strength, etc, etc. So let's contribute this to just Goku from Namek, in which in his Super Saiyan form then would have 5400000 for KI right? However if he went SSJ2 it would become 750,000,000 KI, and if he went SSJ3 it would become 30 Billion KI. That's 50x each transition of a Super Saiyan, and btw, this would actually be weaker then what the current DBZ Goku is, because this is me attributing Goku first as a SSJ1 during Namek.

However a current DBZ Goku in SSJ1 form would be far greater then 5.4 million KI. Now apply that into speed...how much "faster" would Goku become in each transition and then come back to tell me that Goku "isn't faster then FTL speed". Considering this, within the japanese manga, Burter who was faster then the speed of Light even said that Goku at only 180,000 KI was faster then even Burter himself was, because Burter couldn't even detect Goku's speed...yet Burter was FTL.

However, if people still disagree, another scenario of which Vegeta used his Final Flash, and it traveled from out of their solar system and struck another star multi millions of light years away in mere seconds. Remember this, because Light Speed traveling from Sun to Earth takes roughly around 8 minutes yes? Yet we all know, that Goku has dodged Vegeta's Final Flash and other specials far more deadly then this many times over, so again, if Vegeta's projectile which struck another star from another galaxy multi-light years away from Earth...how could these super elite DBZ fighters "not" travel faster then the speed of light, if they are capable of dodging Vegeta's Final Flash.

Because if Goku was "slower" then Speed of Light shouldn't he get ggpoed by Vegeta's Final Flash all the time? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but canon is canon right? Anyhow, enough of the speed, it's been stated enough, and people should really never again question the DBZ Fighter's speed capabilities.

Now let's move on to strength, here I will vouche without debate, that Superman backs more strength when it comes to just pure lifting or what not, however other then that, Goku actually is just as strong, if not stronger then Superman in delivering blows. Goku may not have the "raw" power although he's himself clearly capable of ridiculous strength. However, what Goku doesn't have in raw power he makes up for in pure speed, remember here, Goku when transcending into SSJ modes is 50x more then what he is previously, so equate speed into this, because not only is it just the force of Goku's punch, but also his sheer insane speed by the boost also factors into this.

This is the reason why along with his channeled KI allows him to land such devastating blows that would even KO someone as powerful as Superman. So although Goku may lack Superman's raw power, he makes it up in pure speed and technique to compensate for that.

I've known of two times in which Superman was "stated" to fight at FTL speed, however there are 20398423092890 writers for Superman, so one writer can write one thing, and another can write another thing, which gets stupid and annoying sometimes, as much as I love the Man of Steel, it's annoying period. In fact, you'll have Superman getting hit by guys like Lobo or Doomsday whom are clearly not attacking at FTL speed.

However with DBZ, there is only one creator, so whatever he says it can be canon, pure and simple. However, although we know of "two" feats in which Superman fought at FTL, we know that Goku in the majority of his fights was fighting well beyond that of FTL, and this was shown all the time. When Superman vs Doomsday, all they could do was shatter window glasses from buildings and such, however during the Goku vs Freiza battle, their attacks where so fast, so powerful, in fact they where fighting all over the entire planet of Namek, and while doing so, where sending out shockwaves and such tremendous forces that it ripped the planets terrain open where ever they where going.

Not to mention, normal camera's can capture Superman's fights, and most importantly, normal people can watch and see the blows that Superman uses and throws out. While in the DBZ world, normal people can't even see where Goku is fighting when he's moving, much less his punches, cameras cannot even capture what's going on in the battle.

So again, compare the two, DBZ fighters fight at this insane speed ALL the time, even Goku was so fast to the point that other DBZ fighters couldn't see the fight anymore. In this department, Goku wins a landslide.

Another is durability, again, I cannot understand Superman sometimes, I remember reading a comic verse, forgot which one, but Superman is at the core and he comes out all charred and all, and he states that if "he'd" of been in there longer, he would have died. However Goku was knocked right into the center of Namek's core, yet he instantly came right back up completely unphazed by being knocked into the center of Namek's planet (mind you, Planet Namek is much larger then Earth). Not to mention, Goku is being struck by attacks, that are well beyond planet busting capabilities and punches and kicks that many times that of FTL speed, which forces that would exert ridiculous amount of pressure. So I ask is Superman the more "durable" still?

Fighting abilities, its not even a contest, Goku>>>>Superman, Superman has been shown time and time again, to be fighting more like a brawler in the majority of his match ups, where as Goku who has been trained in the form of martial arts since he was kid, and has fought even aliens from other universes/solar systems, would be have a vastly superior knowledge and wealth of fighting abilities. This would put Goku heads and shoulders above Superman. Not to mention, this, ever noticed that every single opponent Goku has fought during DBZ, they where almost always far more powerful then he was...yet for Superman, he has been shown to lose to mere mortals? I tell you this, no mere mortal could ever defeat Goku, besides for Chi Chi and that's because she wears the pants in that marriage :p . So put it all together, Goku at SSJ3 if he wanted too could just simply fart and he could take out a few galaxies just like that...now imagine if he actually channeled an energy blast.

Reasons why I've also been appauled at how people say that Goku "couldn't" defeat Superman. Because if you compare Goku's raw power+fighting capability+speed+knowledge of fighting...he completely and utterly destroys Superman on so many levels over.

Goku before he went Super Saiyan 1 would have been a more fair fight up against Superman, however in his current DBZ Form...he completely and utterly destroys Superman without much of a fight. In fact, other super elites like Future Trunks, Mystic Gohan, Vegeta and all would trump Superman.

This is the last time I'll post about this, and hope that it at least opens up some people into not trying to downgrade DBZ Fighters, because seriously Akira didn't make "heroes" he simply made Gods with characters like Goku.

Peace everyone, until I see another topic that catches my eye to debate in again :D

[Atavus]

You’ve provided some excellent points regarding DBZ, but it seems that you’re unaware of big S’s capabilities. I’ll first mention my objections to your post, then give my take on it. Let’s start:

The part where Piccolo says that Raditz is FTL is a dub error. It’s merely a hyperbole. In the original Japanese version he doesn’t say anything like that, and same is the case with the manga, I believe (I don’t know). Another dub error was when Goku says that IT is lightspeed, when it’s not. IT is instant, and there’s no arguing over it.

I have to disagree that the CIS is due to dramatic purposes, which basically means that it's not CIS at all. Goten at SSJ took 28 minutes to travel around the earth a few times. There was no tension scene there, he was just measuring his speed. Had he been really as much faster than Raditz as theory indicates, he would’ve traveled like 300 times that distance, which he didn’t.

I’m not aware of any instance where Goku is running at the speed of light. You’ll have to tell me the episode name. Speed of light is traveling around the earth seven times in less than a second. Was Goku running as fast?

You said that DBZ characters outclass Superman in terms of fighting capabilities, because he fought against the most powerful martial artists of his universe. Bear in mind that Superman also has trained with one of the most powerful martial artists of his universe as well, namely Batman and Wonder Woman. Just look up Batman’s skill feats and you’ll see exactly what kind of martial arts genius he is (perhaps the 3rd best martial artist in DCU). I read some bit about him training with Wonder Woman for a thousand years, but I don’t remember the exact words atm, so we’ll just leave this until I find it.

You said that Superman wouldn’t be able to take a planet-buster, which is wrong for his stronger incarnations, as I will address later. Also, wasn’t Vegeta destroying planet a filler? I’ve heard it was, and if it really is it shouldn’t be counted. Again, correct me if I’m wrong.

Cell being able to destroy a Solar System was also a hyperbole. He, along with almost every other character in DBZ, has no feats to back this up. Maybe Brolly could do that, but even that’s moot, since it has a couple of problems with what he did and, above all, it’s non-cannon.

You said Goku’s speed is above Superman's, which is absolutely incorrect as Superman’s stronger versions have shown ridiculous levels of speed (I’ll state them later). Goku has IT, which is instant, but when it comes to pure speed, he hasn’t shown anything solid that proves that he is FTL. There are assumptions based on “Power Levels”, but they aren’t reliable. Also, IT wouldn’t be of much use against him, as that’s not combat speed.

Where is it stated that SSJ gives a 50X boost to the character? If you’re making this assumption on the basis of power levels, you’re wrong again. Also, I need sources regarding the bits you mentioned about Burter. And dodging attacks isn’t a solid proof that character is FTL. The other character might not have aimed properly due to loss of of foucus etc. It’s a good guess, but what I’m looking for is a solid proof, an instance which is solely meant to show his speed.

As far as strength goes, I believe it’s absolutely absurd to say that Goku outclasses Superman in ANY category when it comes to this area, if you know what the comics Superman has shown to be capable of doing. Goku will never be able to KO Superman’s stronger incarnation with mere punches.

“all they could do was shatter window glasses from buildings and such”

You’re definitely referring to the “Superman: Doomsday” film, because in the comics, the shockwaves were felt all the way to Gotham, not to mention that shockwaves don’t really determine how strong either of them are. Also, that was probably the weakest ‘comics’ version of Superman WHEN he was very weak.

“Not to mention, Goku is being struck by attacks, that are well beyond planet busting capabilities and punches and kicks that many times that of FTL speed, which forces that would exert ridiculous amount of pressure. So I ask is Superman the more "durable" still?”

When has Goku ever taken a planet buster without dying? He did take a planet buster from Freeza, but deflected it. That’s different from actually taking it, and they clearly showed that he was struggling not to get hit.

And Superman is VERY durable ( < Caps for emphasis).

Goku might outclass Superman in fighting capabilities, but so does Batman and Wonder Woman. This doesn’t mean that they can beat him. In fact, when at the power level of Superman, skill doesn’t really matter at all.

[Atavus]

Wow, that was long. Okay, now let’s examine Superman’s capabilities:

First and foremost, you should recognize that Superman has many versions in the comics (Over 15, I guess). Using weaker versions is as fair as using base Goku in this fight. Therefore, we will consider the stronger versions of Superman. You might be surprised at what he does.

Speed:

As I’ve said above, until I get some solid proof that Goku is FTL, I won’t consider him that. But for the time being, I’ll just assume that he is lightspeed.

Pre-Crisis Superman is at the very least ‘millions of times lightspeed’. He can travel galaxies and universes in split seconds. Here as Superboy (teenager), he exceeds lightspeed just while playing.
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Pre-Crisis Superman is so fast that he can actually time-travel. In fact, he broke the time-barrier as a baby. Here we see him travelling through time:

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Yes, going back in time and killing Goku is an option.

Superman vibrates his body at atomic level and becomes practically intangible:
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This means that whatever Goku throws at him, can pass right through him in this state, but Superman can still hit him whenever he wants to.

Here PC Superman is flying so fast that god himself had to stop him because he was about to tear away the gateways to heaven 0_o:

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Goku does NOT come anywhere close to this speed, based on clear-cut facts.

If he could just travel at thousands of times lightspeed while not exerting at all, imagine how fast he’s flying here. Think of his Superspeed mode as if everything around him turns into a slow-motion sequence. Now even if Goku teleports behind him, his hitting motion would be so slow that Superman would’ve roasted him ten times over by the time.

And this is not the strongest Superman. To the strongest one, speed is irrelevant. I’ll come to that.

Strength:

Goku lifted around 2 tonnes in Dragonball on his finger. In DBZ he was struggling with 40 tonnes of weight in base form. This is a clear indicator that power levels are not very accurate determinant of character’s capacities. You said he lifts a mountain, which I heard some people say is a filler, but anyway, for the time being, he does lift a mountain.

Superman lifting 200 Quintillion tonnes:

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Even if we assume that 1 unit of power level allows Goku to lift one ton (which he can’t since he struggles with 40 tonnes of weight in Buu saga, when his base strength had multiplied by I dunno how many times), he still isn’t anywhere close to lifting this much weight. And notice that Superman isn’t even trying here, and is casually lifting it with one arm.

A punch that alters reality itself:

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Not strong enough? Okay then, we’ll take PC Superman again.

Here we see him moving a WHOLE GALAXY (Caps again) of planets chained together, from galaxy to another at the other side of the universe, as a teenager:

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He can move Suns and planets…with his breath:

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So strength is a no-contest. Supes outclass Goku by far.

Durability:

Superman takes a Supernova, only to be dazed for a mere micro-second:

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Superboy-Prime takes a big bang (destruction of a universe), from point blank range, only to come out fine with tattered clothing:

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A blast that destroyed a universe, a whole universe, did not kill SBP, let alone KO him. Now something tells me the Kamehameha would only tickle these Supermen, if it hits them, of course.

Miscellaneous Skills/Abilities:

There’s a hyperbole floating that Cell could destroy a Solar System. I say Superman can destroy a Solar System with a sneeze, but in my case, there’s no hyperbole:

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This is also a speed feat, as he traveled into a different universe in split second.

If we consider PC Superman, he has so many abilities that it’s stupid to mention them all. E.g how many times have you seen Superman using Hypnosis? Well, that Superman had that.

Superman can survive in space, Goku can’t.

PC Superman’s heat vision is said to be ‘hotter than the pits of Hades’ and ‘hotter than the core of 100 suns’. He’s used it to reignite Suns, running engines that are capable of moving planets, and fixing holes in the cosmos. His heat vision has basically not limits from what I’ve seen, though he releases only limited power.

His ice breath is said to be able to cast another Ice Age.

The punchline is that this is not the strongest version of Superman. The strongest one is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient:

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This Superman is beyond defeat, and it is absurd to say that Goku lasts even for a second against him. He can beat Goku with a mere wave of his hand. He is literally a god! End of story.

[Sliverbane]

Good god! Preach'n to the choir over here! :p

[Atavus]

YOU'RE LYING!

[Sliverbane]

You'll never prove it!! Bwaa-ha-ha-aaaa!